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Poster: esotericone Date: Jun 9, 2007 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Our Choices

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-02-12-late.sbd.kaplan.9072.sbeok.shnf

Isaiah 12.2
I trust you to save me, Lord God, and I won't be afraid.
My power and my strength come from you,
and you have saved me.

How could a loving God send people to hell? That's a commonly asked question. The question itself reveals a couple of misconceptions.
First, God does not 'send' people to hell. He simply honors their choice. Hell is the ultimate expression of God's high regard for the dignity of man. He has never forced us to choose him, even when that means we would choose hell.
No, God does not "send" people to hell. Nor does he send 'people' to hell. That is the second misconception.
The word 'people' is neutral, implying innocence. Nowhere does Scripture teach that innocent people are condemned. People do not go to hell. Sinners do. The rebellious do. The self-centered do. So how could a loving God send people to hell? He doesn't. He simply honors the choice of sinners.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Jun 9, 2007 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

esotericone
I understand your message and appreciate it. you can post your message here and people can chose to read or not read them.
The Dead weren't ones to preach but they definitely had a deeper meaning to almost every song they shared.

As my path has gone down SO MANY ROADS, I to find the Light in even the strangest of places if I can look at it right.

Keep extending in your way when your motivated.

may the blessing of peace with you and all those who seek it in more abundance!

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Poster: esotericone Date: Jun 9, 2007 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Thank you. I like this show a lot.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-06-09.sbd.hollister.172.sbeok.shnf
I think it gets a bit lost because of the 6/10/73 show. Which I believe is high up on the all-time list. Still very good nonetheless. After the brilliant '76 and '77 of this day this is a good listen.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Jun 9, 2007 1:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

I dunno, but it's not like you're a damned saint..

You look absolutely silling posting these proverbs,

you look pretentious as hell

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Poster: esotericone Date: Jun 9, 2007 4:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

A damned saint? Posting Proverbs from the Bible makes one pretentious as hell? Seems I've stumbled into oxymoron post.

I look silly? Not quite as silly as you must look, continually answering my posts. Reading them when you know what they say.

Does it bother you that much that I won't conform to what you think I should? Or is it just in your nature to call me names to make yourself feel better?

You yourself should understand freedom a little better than anyone at this time I think.

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Poster: Blooskye66 Date: Jun 9, 2007 6:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

One of humanities greatest problems is religion; has been for centuries. It was dreamt up at a time when people believed the sun revolved around the earth, that the world was flat,etc.

Never live a day of your life restricted by the narrow strictures of religion. Heaven and hell are fantasies, fairy tales.

That said, the Grateful Dead and the sixties were about freedom and its expansion - in and out of ones mind.

If folks want to discuss religion, they should feel free. If a posts subject doesn't interest you, move on, change the channel.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Jun 9, 2007 8:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

I don't know if I ever formally said "Stop" with it all, but as it does offend people, I kind of agree people have the right to post it.. it IS a grateful dead forum though

I really wonder what your intentions are, esotericone. To preach dead, or bible?

While you do have the freedom as of now, to post this babble, I have the right to say that I don't personally like it..


and it does make you look pretentious. Who quotes scriptures on a GD forum? If this is what your forum name refers to, you are real mistaken. More like BibleThumperOne if anything

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Jun 9, 2007 10:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

You'd be far more esoteric if you were a tad bit more subtle, my friend

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 9, 2007 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

All links to fine shows... I for one am just not interested in your preaching, I can go to church or cable TV and get all that I could ever possibly need of that! How about maybe some comments on the shows you're linking?

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Poster: esotericone Date: Jun 9, 2007 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Even fools seem wise when they are quiet.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Jun 9, 2007 10:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Thank you Jon

=)

Hey what time is the grok for 6/9 ?

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 9, 2007 10:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Your welcome Max... I haven't heard from anyone else, so I'm guessing the usual 9 Eastern, 6 Pacific... That's my plan at least...

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 9, 2007 11:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

What? You guys don't believe in St. Dilbert? Do you not know the meaning of hypnocracy?

Seriously: this posting show links without any substance . . . .

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 9, 2007 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

i'm just a bozo...

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 9, 2007 2:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Uh oh, I'm a bolo!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 9, 2007 2:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

as you have declared in the past - at least your bus has a john (but we have the fridge!)

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=97198

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 9, 2007 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

I'll let you use the john for a cold beer!!!

;)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 9, 2007 2:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

deal gladly accepted - but I dare not show my face...

...paging Dr. Benway...

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 9, 2007 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Brown paper bags are available at the door... Just don't poke yourself with the scissors while cutting out eyeholes! The tips are round, but they can still inflict very painful bruises!!!

Not familiar with Dr. Benway???

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 9, 2007 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Burrough's central character/voice in Naked Lunch, but the reference is to this - if you get mixed up with those damn pranksters, you might backslide into the beats all the way back to the new transcendentalists. But what the fuck do I know? I named my kid Samsara (is he a nice guy, or he names his kids pinocchio or what?) In other words, has Belski/Smiles/2 whatever always been with us?

http://www.well.com/~szpak/cm/index.html

Make sure to click on benway's message in above link...

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2007-06-09 22:03:43

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 9, 2007 3:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Maybe, but at least Dr Benway makes sense...

And please... Don't ever let me slip all the way back to the new transcendentalists!!! I could never show my face again, brown paper bag or not!!!

:)

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Poster: Disco Stew Date: Jun 9, 2007 4:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Unfortunately The 2 has been here a long time. Check this post out. http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=48568
Smi2les does a post in Nov. 2005 and then answers himself as Bellski2 in April 2007.
Come on, who the fuck does that?

I don't think anyone fully knows of his debauchery.

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Poster: esotericone Date: Jun 9, 2007 11:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Lacks substance? Every show is full of substance and joy. Every note the Dead play is said better than anything I could ever put into words. Besides, you're a grown man. You can listen to it and form your own evaluation. You don't need me or anyone to tell you what to think. Go into every show with an open mind and figure it out for yourself.

Only a fool rejects wisdom and good advice.

"Let the music do the talking" - Joe Perry

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 9, 2007 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Yeah, but who cares about links without substance? Anyone can post a link to a show. But why? These pages are brimming with links. Why not just put them all up and be done with it.

The difference is this:

If someone wants to be pointed to, say, a nice Spring 1970 acoustic set--we'll get some interesting and pertainent replies. Context. If SDH chimes in a merry morning with a 1979 show, I know he's just actually listened to it and wants to share the joy. Others are investigating songs or years--and they are sharing something of their journeys. But there comes a point at which posting links becomes absurd.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-03-21.sbd-disk1.samaritano.15041.sbeok.shnf

Now, I could just post that--nothing else. So? But I would post it with the comment that the Academy run is so overlooked because 1)most of the tapes are Marty's really bad auds and 2)they are followed by the great European tour.
For all that, this run is chock full of gems. LLR with pedal steel. Fabulous Playing that shows the song finally emerging from the tentative jam of the Fall '71 to the roaring beast of 72. Several breakout tunes--besides LLR, we have BTW, several Pig masterpieces, and a Greatest Story that is reborn from the short version of the year before.

The theater--renamed the Palladium a few years later--is one of the last of the great movies houses cum rock palaces; this show is the opening night of a great New York City stand, and the audience was drooling with anticipation. The boys delivered.

You know--something? A review? A reason why?

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Poster: esotericone Date: Jun 9, 2007 1:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Do people really post shows that they haven't listened to? Every show I have put up a post for I have listened to and believed worthy of listening. It's all so subjective any way. You may like Lovelight and I may find it too long. I may like Terrapin and you may find it too long.
I guess we approach our show listening in different ways. If someone puts up a link for an '87 show but I'm really wanting to hear a '73 show, it doesn't matter what they say about that show. I'm still looking for that hot '73 show. I prefer to go into shows from the start and with no preconceived notions about what any song will do and form my own opinion. Nothing more nothing less.
I've stumbled into more grate shows by accident then I have been led to.

"One man gathers what another man spills"

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 9, 2007 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

There are one or more who do post unheard links, why??? I don't know.

And thank you, this is more like it! We all believe in what we believe in, I'm not going to try to change your mind...

:)

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 9, 2007 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Stephen and Dilbert, my two favorite saints!

;)

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Poster: esotericone Date: Jun 9, 2007 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

So far I have posted links to 2/12/69, 6/9/77, 4/14/84, 7/7/69, 8/23/68, 9/23/76, and 6/17/75. All good shows, all uniformly respected by other Heads. The only person to make any comment on any show was William Tell about the Peggy-O from the '75 show.
So esoterically speaking, no one else is getting it.
Oblivious and obvious are closely related aren't they?

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Jun 9, 2007 10:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Depends on what definition of esoteric you are using --

Right now i'm using.. "understood by a select few"

You are understood by a lot more than a select few to be annoying..I always thought Separation of Church and Deadheads was an unspoken rule

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Poster: esotericone Date: Jun 9, 2007 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Come to my home each day and listen to me.
You will find happiness.
By finding me, you find life, and the Lord will be pleased with you.
But if you don't find me, you hurt only yourself, and if you hate me, you are in love with death.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 9, 2007 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

dude, i certainly don't hate you by any stretch.

but you are coming across as a bit scary at this point with that post.

david karesh anyone???

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 9, 2007 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Have a little taste of this Kool Aid, It's imported from Guyana...

;)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 9, 2007 12:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

nice call big bro

hope your day is going well - hope to see you in chatzy later my friend - i'll be there around 9 my time

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 9, 2007 1:41pm
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Me too...

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Jun 9, 2007 1:52pm
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i;m in chatzy right now!!! waiting on some friends!!!!

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Poster: esotericone Date: Jun 9, 2007 12:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

That is from Proverbs 8.34-36. 'By finding me' is meant by finding the Lord. I was definitely not referring to myself. I am merely a servant who enjoys the Word.

Music is God's way a prayer without words. The Boys were full of it. They hold sermon everyday.

Beware of false prophets and wolves clothed in sheepskin.

"They're a band beyond description
Like Jehovah's favorite choir.
People joinin' hand in hand
While the music plays the band.
Lord, they're setting us on fire."

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 9, 2007 4:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

you by now way came across that way man!!! watch what you say

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Poster: Fishead Date: Jun 9, 2007 12:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: my choice 6-9-90

yo wolf check out 6-9-90 peggy-o
2 jerry solos he kinda forgets the beginning verses and decides to solo early until he gets his bearings straight
sings again and then does a smaller solo bringing it back to the final verse...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 9, 2007 12:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: my choice 6-9-90

awesome - not sure if i recall that one off the top of my head - but you know i love peggy so much

thanks man - will be checkin that out

hope all is well with you my friend

peace - dire

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Poster: Fishead Date: Jun 9, 2007 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: my choice 6-9-90

for some odd strange reason i recall a past post on
peggy-o's where you were wondering if there was another 2 solo one along with the 77 englishtown show..i didn't think there was ..this one isn't as good as that one but it's still jerry !!!!:)

i am doin' pretty good for a saturday at work !!!

hope all's well on your end ...peace and jerry on!!!!!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 9, 2007 4:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: my choice 6-9-90

you remember correctly - thanks

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Poster: darazn1 Date: Jun 9, 2007 1:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: my choice 6-9-90

I've often felt that 2.26.90 is even more expressive. A lovely peggy-o for sure.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 9, 2007 2:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

what the fuck is up with your preaching man? It's like the assholes that come knocking on doors. So full of self righteousness. I don't have anything against most of what Christ said but I lean towards the what Mark Twain said

If Jesus were alive today there is most assuredly one thing he would NOT be - a Christian

or also

Lord save me from your followers

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 9, 2007 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

Hey JOTS! I think we may have got this one resolved amicably already...

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 9, 2007 8:34pm
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;)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 9, 2007 6:43pm
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oh ok cush. I'll lay off

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 9, 2007 4:58pm
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HEY - did Mark Twain actuallly say that???? i never heard that quote

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 9, 2007 6:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

absolutely. One of my favorite quotes from one of the true American greats

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 9, 2007 6:29pm
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Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion—several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn’t straight. --Mark Twain

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Poster: esotericone Date: Jun 9, 2007 4:32pm
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I'm at your door right now johnny.
Go.
Check.

John 2.23
In Jerusalem during Passover many people put their faith in Jesus, because they saw him work miracles. But Jesus knew what was in their hearts, and he would not let them have power over him. No one had to tell him what people were like. He already knew.

We all know you johnny.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 9, 2007 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Our Choices

no you don't. I'm beginning to think you don't know your head from your ass.

And I guarantee you don't want to come knocking at my door.